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March 06, 2012

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Jonathan

Getting rid of 40 year old studies in their data wouldn't hurt.

Adam

Hey Mike,

I agree that moving trip generation to the next century is a good idea but I have concerns about us sticking with subscription models on data-based tools. Essentially trip generation data is a series of micro-transactions that we are trying to confine into a defined product, subscription based model.

I would propose that we get ITE to follow the lead of the online gaming industry and adopt a microtransaction model instead. People pay for the data they need. No more, no less. Then ITE has an incentive for opening the database to much more information than we currently have access to, as well as develop more advanced methodologies for determining more accurate and precise trip generation.

My coworkers and I have been punting around several ideas for the last year and this is just kind of the summary. We would be very interested in your take on it.

Mike

Hey Adam,
I would love to see ITE move to a micro-transaction level. There are a lot of small government units that need to do a few calculations a year and this would be great for them. Paying for actual usage is the fairest way to charge.

The policing on this would need to be very carefully thought out though. The typical traffic engineer would only need to get the rates for a fraction of the uses in the overall database (for instance, I'll probably go my whole career in Minnesota without ever doing a traffic study for a zoo). How would you stop an engineer from grabbing rates from the dozen most common land uses, putting them in their own spreadsheet, and never going back to the online site?

I would hope that the cloud based solution would include parking along with the trip generation.

The difficulty is the business model. It's my understanding the Trip Generation report is a big money maker for ITE. Now they're partnering with Transoft to build/host the online site, so ITE has to share some of the revenue. Is ITE's motive to maximize revenues or to increase usage? I think that's pretty fundamental to how the cloud solution gets rolled out.
Mike

Adam

Thanks for the quick response Mike!

I believe the better business model for ITE would be to move away from evaluating the data for us and towards management of a forum for data exchange. This would allow them to focus more on developing best practices and helping educate us in those practices.

While ITE spends resources rolling out the next version of their Trip Generation Manual those are resources that could be better used (in my opinion) on actually educating the Traffic Engineering profession as a whole.

So to get back to the point, I think ITE should look to position themselves more in the format of iTunes. Where iTunes doesn't make money off the music/content by making the content. Instead they make money off the transaction of content between creator and consumer.

And of course you would come back for more data. :) You'd come back for newer data, more regionally representative data, transit/multi-use data relevant to those same land uses, etc.

In my opinion we need to start building a living database of transportation related data which moves us well beyond what ITE currently accounts for in the Trip Generation Manual and Handbook.

Sure, they ask for that information on the form, but what incentive do we actually have in filling the whole thing out? None. Because we see no direct benefit in providing that information. The information gets consumed into the void known as the ITE database, and the only thing we get for our charitable contributions is a $275 book we have to buy every X years which barely scratches at the surface of the information we gave them.

Does this make sense from your perspective? I have limited exposure to the legal ramifications of these types of moves. But as you aptly stated "is ITE's motive to maximize revenue or increase usage?". I would suggest that with an iTune model increasing usage is the same as increasing revenue. And that's the beauty of it.

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