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January 04, 2013

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Stephen Smith

Here's one thing I haven't heard autonomous car-backers mention: the possibility that driverless cars will slow to near-zero speeds in dense, urban areas. Why? Jay-walking! Just about the only thing currently stopping people from jay-walking in dense, walkable cities is the fear of getting run over. With a driverless car – especially one that doesn't drive above the speed limit – that fear is all but eliminated.

I suppose it's possible that with driverless cars, pedestrians would adopt Swiss-like respect for traffic lights. But short of that, I wonder if driverless cars will be too slow in cities for anyone to bother.

Scot

I am very interested in autonomous vehicles, having first ridden in a driverless bus testbed in Houston back in 1998. That was very crude by comparison to the current state of the art. I have been thinking about the business implications, to little effect within my company yet. It's potentially such a big change that it is hard to grasp even parts of it, much less a realistic big picture. But it's a good indicator of the change to looking at transportation supporting people's needs and wants by a variety of means, rather than moving certain numbers of cars from place to place. Of course there's still a ton of mostly-regulatory ways it could be killed or knocked off course. I'm not actually worried about the insurance parts since a good system will be so much safter than human drivers.

I'll also note that Google's car program is only one of two places I'd voluntarily leave this job for :-)

Anyways, besides the above points, the automobile culture and urban design impacts would be enormous as well. Car-sharing and taxi-like services are an obvious early application, blowing away any non-point-to-point transit services. Renting out your own vehicle when you don't need it, confident it won't be abused. Making up for electric cars' range anxiety by always having a fresh car delivered when you start a trip, and taking itself to charge upon arrival.

The urban design implications of a fully-deplyed system are staggering really, but in a number of directions. What would cities look like with no minimum parking requirements since you car can go do something else, park itself in a tiny remote space, or just circulate. How accessible would downtowns be if the present highway system capacity goes up by 4-10x? What does it mean for living conditions and preferences when travel times and costs potentially drop significantly, when that suburb->city commute goes from 45 minutes plus traffic hassle and parking $ to be the same 10 minutes door to door as walking from a downtown residence? Some urban advocates are worried autonomous cars will remove some negatives that are pushing people into denser areas.

Stephen has a point on the jaywalking, especially if a given downtown can now easily handle 4-10x daily employees. The good thing about Google's car-based approach is that it fits within the existing infrastructure. There's no way you could roll out a big change that needed widespread system changes. Adding autonomous cars could be invisible, at least until your insurance company starts to charge you more for still driving manually :-). But over time I could see a separation of ped and vehicle uses, the autos evolving into a sort of separate PRT system in the denser areas. With autonomous vehicles most of them can be quite small, take big g-forces if no humans onboard, and don't need the space we devote to decision distances and other human factors.

Enough yammer. Can't wait to see what the future brings.

Mike

Stephen - I hadn't thought about peds taking over the urban environment and I hadn't heard that brought up before. A very interesting point that will have to get worked out. I could see a system that started with automation on highways, but required the driver to take over once you hit the exit ramp. That could be a next step in the evolution.

Scot - Yeah, a lot of political stuff in there. The taxi companies are already fighting the ride-sharing apps out there. The argument being, shouldn't each driver have to get licensed the way taxis have too? That's just the tip of the iceberg.

Charlie - Vehicle Recovery

I would worry about driverless cars... it's going to make non-drivers more eager to buy cars and it might be to the point that there are too many cars on the road and no enough spaces for parking.

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