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January 09, 2013

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Scott Poska

Im guessing you and Bryant didn't have access to aaSIDRA to include in the comparison? I used this extensively during my time down in STL (2004-2008) for roundabout analysis. The results from it seemed reasonable; much more so than RODEL at least!

I think its understood in the modeling community that you calibrate extensively for existing geometric and volume conditions so you can evaluate impacts forecasted traffic will have with the same geometrics (a forecasted "no build" alternative). Once you get away from the existing geometrics, then you must apply the existing conditions calibration techniques as best you can for forecasted conditions. If the traffic control type changes completely, then you must calibrate based on local knowledge and experience of similar intersections in the area.

Traffic analysis softwares are just tools in the traffic engineers toolbox. Engineers must decide which tool is best for each situation and the proper way to apply it. This includes changing default parameters to best represent local conditions!

Mike

Scott,
We don't have Sidra, but it looks like we'll be provided a temporary license so we can add that to the mix.

I agree with you on using calibrating to get a feel for local conditions. But then the question is how good of a feel does the modeler have for local conditions. It's a very hard thing to quantify or justify. Going by "gut" doesn't seem to be very defensible.

So starting out, we're hoping to hone in on the software tool that gets closest to the mark out of the box. There will always be room for practitioners to make improvements and that is somewhat of an art form.

We are also trying to illuminate some of the areas where we could tweak inputs across the board to match up with our local conditions.
Mike

Brian Geiger

How closely did the field counts match the default PHF of 0.92 that was used in the analysis?

Mike

The PHF from the p.m. peak hour was 0.91.

Reuben

Just something that caught my eye... Did you remember to convert the Max Queue output from Rodel from vehicles to ft.? If so, I didn't know that RODEL would give Max queues shorter than the 95th percentile queues. I've seen that in SimTraffic, but didn't now RODEL would do it as well.

Mike

We did do the conversion in RODEL.

Stephen Cragg

Queues.

These are notoriously difficult to replicate in a model. One learner driver, one stalled vehicle, rain, fog, snow, etc., can affect observed queues but are almost certainly never included in a model.

I'd be very interested in the first instance to understand the variation in observed data. Say, count the same intersection for 100 days at different times of the year. I would expect a relatively simple correlation between demand and queue length, but I'd also expect it to show significant variation.

I would expect a model to be able to replicate the overall correlation. For the deterministic models, they won't have any of the variation. But, even the stochastic models are unlikely to replicate the vast range of 'events' which will contribute to the variation in observed data.

Mike

Stephen,
Excellent point that I hadn't really considered. The maximum queue in the data appears to be an outlier. An interesting tangent could be to see how well queuing statistics correlate to peak hour turning movement counts and delay.
Mike

Andrew

I use Paramics for queueing analyses, but share in your general grief over the limitations of all packages.

One issue I have experienced is the variability in driver behavior regionally. Drivers in the Midwest tend to respect the yield sign, while those in California or New Jersey are blind to it. My feeling is that different software packages use different default variables to capture this effect. So you might want to watch out for the driver characteristics such as headways, reaction times, speeds and speed distributions (to the extent they are applciatple), to be sure you're comparing apples to apples across platforms.

Fascinating research, I will be watching for further updates.

Alan

The best software is the one you know how to use. This may be an obvious comment, but in 25 years, I have not come accross default values that represent local conditions. Could be something to do with the way people drive in Africa. However it would be interseting to see which software does come close.

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